JERICHO Insiders’ commentary: Pilot Episode
Featuring Carol Barbee and John Turteltaub,
commentating as they watch Ep 1.01 The Pilot
Transcribed by Skeeterific 

*There is a lot of laughter throughout the script by both Carol and John, I have chosen to not indicate it, as it would have just been too much to type!!

 John-That by the way is Morris code for “I’m John Turteltaub executive producer,

Carol- and I am Carol Barbee the other executive producer”.

 John- There you go.  I think our greatest achievement on this show was getting this song.   

Carol- I think you are right.  We almost had our hearts broken for a moment thinking we weren’t going to get it and we just couldn’t… I don’t think we would have aired the pilot.

John- I don’t think we would could have shown the series.  We fell in love with it. These shots were, ahh, they were beautiful and not shot by us.  And this is shot actually in California with a green screen background to simulate Denver before it blowed up.  Ummm, I am just listing any interesting details the seem not to be that interesting.

 Carol- That’s right.  This actually was a very long scene that turned in to a shot of skeet pulling the cover off of his car and it’s the coolest thing ever!

 John- That’s true.  When we tested the show, we showed it to the audiences, every single guy in the testing said, “oh, his car is great, it really tells you a lot about him”.  And every woman said, “Yeah, that stuff with the car was kinda boring.”   So it teaches you a little about gender.  All of this was shot in Canada, Calgary is basically the beginnings, ah, Alberta’s of those same plains that Kansas is part of.  So we flew up to Kansas-uh-Calgary to make it look like Kansas.  And that’s Leon Russom. 

Carol- Who may not make it through the pilot. 

 John- Ooo, very true.  Now we’re back in ah,

 Carol- Fillmore

 John- Fillmore, CA.  Those are real guns and ammo stores.

 Carol- They had three guns and ammo stores in about a 2 block area.

 John-  I don’t know who any of  those people are.  No, I’m not serious.

 Carol- We know all those people.  Now this is also in Calgary, correct?

 John- Yes, and this is a beautiful farm in Calgary and you’ll notice that everything is very grey and cold.  Because it was grey and cold when we shot the pilot and then by the time we shot the next episode it was very hot and horrible.  We’ve already established everyone’s wearing kind of down coats and things.  This farm house, we knew we’d at some point have to recreate in, ah, southern California.  And I think for the series, we did a pretty horrible job of it and yet it doesn’t matter.  Because the farmhouse we have is gorgeous and that’s good enough. 

Carol- It’s gorgeous.  Brad Beyer plays Stanley and we latterly cast him off of his audition tape.  We saw a thousand guys for Stanley and we cast him off of his audition tape like 5 minutes before we started to shoot and he is awesome.

John- Yeah, funny, fun, sweet. 

Carol- Yeah, all of that.

 John- and a lot brighter than he seems on television.

 Carol- Much brighter!  And Shoshanna Stern, was like such the find, we have to thank our casting people for that because we’d again saw a thousand girls for that, we kept saying we can’t make Bonnie special!  What is interesting about Bonnie?  She’s a lot like Skylar, she’s a lot like, we couldn’t figure it out.  And they said, “You’ve got to cast this girl” and they brought us Shoshanna and we just fell in love with her.  And Bonnie suddenly was a character.  

 John- Okay, a lot of people ask us, was the character written as a deaf character?   And we’re like no and she’s still not being written as a deaf character.  I think that has helped things a lot.  Course everyone wondered why the non-deaf character was doing sign language, but that was another story.  No, that was a joke!  Now the key to this is watching skeet not only be extraordinarily charming and talented, but his hair is a little bit different

 Carol- That’s right!

 John- in the first episode.  Really focus on hair because remember a pilot is shot about 5 or 6 months before the next episode.  So with every show you watch, focus on hair. 

 Carol- Speaking of hair, Ashley had very short hair and looked super cool and then it was decided she needed long hair for this so she’s wearing extensions.  She wasn’t particularly happy about it but she was lovely about it.  Ummm, she looks beautiful. 

 John- Very beautiful

 Carol- I want to be Ashley when I grow up. 

 John- Me too.  No, she’s so pretty!!

 Carol- She’s also just awfully cool.

 John- And everyone likes her.

 Carol- Yeah, she’s just really down to earth and awesome.

 John- I’d met Ashley at a screen test for a movie that never, ah I never ended up directing.  And just got made, called Enchanted.  And it was about 6-7 years ago.  And I just remembered her from that because she was so good and then 6 years later, her name came up for this and everybody got excited and she really is just such a sweet person who has a lot of vulnerability and it really worked for this part. 

 Carol- She also kinda has guts in a way that we were seeing a lot of sweet actresses who were lovely but when Ashley came in it was, yeah this is a fair fight between her and Jake.  This is another great song.   

John- another great song and ah

Carol- Karim Zreik

John- One of our producers ah, Karim Zreik became like the music guru on the show.  He walked in saw a cut and said it was really good, all of your music choices stink, John. 

Carol- And here’s my IPod.

John- Here’s my IPod, use these!  And ah, I was like oh.  There’s the dog who seems to, by not being in the series, seems to have got nuked.

 Carol- Oh!

 John- But we’ll get him back at some point.  This house is in the middle of downtown LA, believe it or not.  Not too far from downtown.  Pamela Reed, was such and obvious choice for us.  How do you get a person to play the warm loving mother we all understand and without her being a boring loving mother that you just see on TV?

 Carol, Right.

John- Pamela, has such a tough sense of humor and ability to laugh at herself that she really adds so much.

 Carol- This was the first scene we shot of the pilot.  This was the first time these people were together and they immediately seem like a family.  It is amazing. 

 John- Good point.  There was also and entire section in this scene about a pocket knife. 

 Carol- Yeah 

John- That seems to not be in there anymore.  That’s, ya know, when you shoot, you just shoot whatever you got and you assume it’s going to be the right length, then you realize opps, it’s too long for TV!  Now if you’ll take a look, his hair is also very different than it is in the rest of the series. 

Carol- And his beard, I think we trimmed his beard back.

 John- Yeah, but the beard

 Carol- Gerald McRaney, was still doing Deadwood when we started to shoot and his hair is log and his beard was scraggily and we’re like okay, yeah that’s what Mayor Green looks like, Okay.

John-  Actually, we were terrified that when he came, he looked awesome, but we’d all seen Gerald McRaney with short hair and no beard and we thought the networks never gonna

Carol- Yeah

John- go for this.  And they loved it   Umm, Mac really, Mac

Carol- Mac 

John- his friends call him Mac. 

Carol- We call him Mac because we’re on

 John- We’re on the inside.

Carol- the inside.

 John- Yeah, um, he ah, looked great!  This is back up in Calgary.  Umm, we went up there, brought an American flag with us and turned it into Kansas.  And those are actually real grave stones.  Beautiful cemetery, ah, outside Calgary. 

 Carol- I think if was freezing that day, wasn’t it?

 John- It was, so cold!  But it was only cold like in Canadian degrees.  In American degrees it was warmer.  Now this music here is also stunning.  What gets even more stunning is it was written by David Lawrence. 

 Carol- yeah

John- Who’s a wonderful composer, whom I’ve known since I was a little kid.  And I think that’s the single greatest act of, hire somebody you know and love, cause you’ve known them your whole life and you know how talented they are rather than having to put them through a whole audition process. 

Carol- He’s great and sitting and watching music spotting, which is where and watch the show without music on it and decide where music should go.  And I am sitting with David Lawrence watching that is so much fun because he’s such a fan and I just never want to watch the show without David Lawrence in the room.  This is actually the president.  I love this kid!

John- This kid is literally great, except his name is Joey and this girls name is Joey and that made it a little complicated on the set. 

Carol- They’re both named Joey.  Back in California.  We filmed this out in, ah near Fillmore, right? 

 John- Yep, it’s a little hard to find a place without mountains out there.  And these sequences, they get very montage and they don’t always set out that way, you don’t necessarily write it that way.  One of the things that was brilliant about this pilot’s script that was written by Steve Chbosky, was knowing it was an ensemble show, knowing it was called Jericho, it’s about a town, he was able to write all these different little places in the town and have all this concurrent action going on.  So, he didn’t just follow the one story at a time, yet the editor still takes it and cuts it into a montage that builds it up.  And here we have this whole sequence going through all these different places that builds up a sense of something bad is about to happen.  Which is partially about music but a lot of it is about editing and the awkwardness even is intentional and cutting out on this girl at a weird spot, and that’s Pat McMahon, the editor.

 Carol- And this moment, the kid on the roof, was created on the day, right, it wasn’t written that way, but it was created on the day, I think you, said, “let’s put the kid on the roof’.

 John- Well I want credit for this shot, but I’ve gotta say that Steve Chbosky at one point we were trying to get the shot, said, “Stick him on the roof”

Carol- Stick him on the roof.

John- These visual effects were, I think are extraordinary.

Carol- Yeah

John- Now trying to convince somebody what, what is a mushroom cloud on the horizon supposed to look like, no one knows.

Carol- We went through 3 Million shots I think, is that right?

John- Yeah, and it, you have to make it look big enough to be scary and small enough to be far away and it’s not like there’s a lot of stock footage.  That deer,  

Carol- Okay, the deer.  We wanted a bunch of deer and apparently all the deer that are good for television were filming in the, ah... Colorado. They had a movie, so we got one deer.

John- The rest of the deer were unavailable or just said no.  I am not sure which. 

Carol- They passed!  They didn’t respond to the material.

John- Left one deer.  And we didn’t really budget for deer.

Carol- and that deer was running for ah, ah, Pop tart or something.  She was like waving a pop tart!

John- They actually offered her a game show.

Carol- That kid was amazing.

John- But really.

Carol- And you know we tried to have him back in the second episode and he was booked on something and we kept, ah that’s okay we’ll get him back.  We haven’t had him back!  We gotta get that!

John- correct, Gerald McRaney was available, Skeet Ulrich was available, That kid – not available.

Carol- Not available!  And the deer, not available.

John- and the deer, not available!  Perfect!  This guys is so lovely.

Carol- ohhh, I love him!

John- You know sometimes parts are just written just to be in the pilot and you get an actor you so fall in love with and this ahh, actor Bob Stevenson and the other police man played by Richard Spate which is so charming.  You know this is something we are actually proud of.  This is, I hand this to the actors.  These two actors Pamela Reed and Gerald McRaney, so put into their relationship a reality and honesty that you really felt that these people were in love.  People often criticize.  Oh, you can’t put anyone over 25 and gorgeous on TV.  But we decided to put people over 50 and, and okay I’ll go with attractive on television and there’s such romance and love between them that it really makes them a family.

Carol- yeah, Oh God.  Every time I see this, I cringe like, I am always like, don’t hit that car. 

 John- That little moment there that crash was so much fun to shoot except everyone was terrified with, we don’t see there is that on that crash, there was a camera inside the car, behind the stunt man, driver.  And the camera few out of the car, based on the impact and we have footage of the crash and then the camera flying out the window.  Okay that’s about 8 people made to look like, more. 

Carol- There’s Leon Russom.

John- You loved him in the credits, I know but he’s really good in this scene as well.  Now a lot of what we are trying to do is also understand, what is you know with the show, what would happen if a nuclear bomb happened somewhere.  It, usually the shows are about a bomb happening where you are and surviving that.  But not in the distance.  Most things don’t happen to people, they happen to someone else.  Most people don’t live in New Orleans during Katrina, most people didn’t live in New York during 9/11 and its how do we react to something on the horizon.  Ummm, we had to get a lot of the facts straight, what does a cut on a leg look like, what does a gygercounter do, what would a town do, what kind of preparedness would people have and Gerald McRaney was great.  He knew a lot of this stuff, he was very aware of how to handle these things. 

Carol- Now who knew that’s what a Gygercounter looked like.

John- Gyger

Carol- Mac 

John- Gyger knew.

Carol- I call him Mac

John- Here they worry about a school bus.  This is just great writing I think of Steve Chbosky’s part because it’s about a school bus.  It’s not about a nuclear war.  It’s not about a nuclear accident, but it’s about how things that could worry us, our children and their safety, ah, it all takes a much greater importance in this context.  The whole plot with the school bus really has nothing to do with it.  And yet he created a real interesting story and gave Skeet’s character, Jake a chance to be heroic.  Fake blood!  Don’t get nervous!

Carol- hououououu, I can’t take that. 

John- These corpses were also not available for the rest of the show.  They were working 

Carol- with the deer, expensive. 

John- on several other shows, tricky.  This was one the few shots I knew I wanted in my head before I was faking it on the set.  Just him all alone out there.  Turned out great.  Again, more of the sense, and could this be boring?  No, figuring out what to do, what to plan, who’s in charge.  Ah, these are all the things that, certainly in a big city, you don’t really talk to your mayor all that much.  And when something happens you don’t know where to turn.  This was the moment I knew Gerald McRaney was extraordinary.  His ability to command a room, to do this speech over and over again while shooting, to make it not sentimental, to make it not bullying, he just has a lot of power.  I mean, that’s just an actor.  There’s nothing you can do, you can’t direct that.

 When are we going to talk about how awesome Skeet Ulrich is? 

Carol- I was trying to figure out how to say it without just sounding like a fan but he is, awesome and he is such a good actor and he’s so smart and he is so committed to reality and to

 John- Yeah, Blah, Blah, Blah…. Look how pretty this shot is!!!

 Carol- Yeah that is beautiful.

 John- This.. 

Carol- I like the one where you see the, when you see the farm equipment in the...

 John- in the back.  Again.

 Carol- Oh, the kid, the kid, the kid!

 John- Oh, Mackenzie

 Carol- You’re little buddy

 John- We would, this was literally one of those times we had 4 minutes to shoot the whole scene because the sun’s going down and it ends up working.

 Carol- Oh! Look at that! It’s gorgeous!

 John- Thanks.  This night out in ah, Fillmore was, I actually think in all the movies I have done, I have never shot this many pages in this many shots in one night. 

 Carol- Yeah, that was a rush, it was freezing and we had to leave because the permit or whatever the people at Fillmore was like, Done.  Get out of here.

 John- yeah, we’re done with you, we hate you. Get out of here.  Ummm, you look at this scene, I am looking at this scene myself, I haven’t seen it since the pilot and these actors and so many others are there when you are shooting the pilot and actors become unavailable.  All of a sudden you have an hour pilot and then when you are done doing the first, ah the rough cut and then you have got to cut twenty minutes out and people go and characters disappear more than actors and you realize okay that character is not that important.  And there’s some terrific actors and you realize that oh, my Gosh they’ve been cut out and their not in it and it’s just the fates and it’s a shame, it’s one of the horrible parts of filming television.

 Carol- One of the things that was in the pilots script that worked really well but their just wasn’t time for it at the end was the Mary and Eric affair.  You started it there, you saw it there, that it was going on and it was lovely when you needed to take something out you had to take out that thread and we said, okay we can just start in a later episode.  Which we did.

 John- Sure and I totally forgot that until you mentioned it.  There was a whole make out scene. 

 Carol- Yep! OH, Yeah!

 John- It was never used.

 Carol- Nope.

 John- I keep it at home. 

 Carol- Perhaps we should put it on the web.  Oh my God, it’s old man Oliver!   

John- Old man Oliver, couldn’t love him more.  What this ended up being to, is such great comic relief.  You know, everyone asks why are you doing a show about nuclear war isn’t it too depressing?  I think the answer is, yeah nuclear war is depressing, doing a show about it doesn’t have to be.  And while there can be some humor, there is also home and people putting their lives together and how strong and how powerful people are with their will to survive.  That said, this is really depressing.  This part…

 This is when you have a great actor, when you can just show his face and this kid is so terrific and....

Carol- I think I said to you, on the set that night when you did that close up of him, like this close up or one of these close ups, I said, and this is the moment we get picked up to series.  Because it is, you just fall in love with this guy; I mean you care so much.

 John- Wow.  It turned out that wasn’t the moment we got picked up to series.

 Carol- No, it was much later.  Oh, my God this night.  It was raining.  Poor crew and the cast were out in the middle of the rain and then ...

 John- And then the power went out which was rough for everybody.  Oh, another actor who became unavailable. 

 Carol- Oh, we loved him.  That guy is hilarious.

 John- What do you mean we loved him… Every woman involved in the show as like I want the fireman.  What is it with women and firemen?  I don’t know

 Carol- Yeah, I am a woman, I love firemen.  Okay, we haven’t talked about Hawkins.

John- We have not talked about Hawkins.

 Carol- Lenny

 John- Maybe we will wait until the next special addition of the internet goes to Jericho.  You know, this guy, well he dies.  So, he’s, the way it goes.  But, ah… Lenny James who played, alright we’ll get to him later.  That’s not a real deer.  Although that was a real deer that was stuffed. 

 Carol- Really?

 John- Not for the show, but ah, before we were shooting.  It’s not the same one that, that’s why there were not available, we killed them all.

 Carol- You know how sometimes you film things and you make it look really remote but you are really on a sound stage or you are somewhere like really accessible so the actors can get to their trailers and stuff.  This wasn’t one of those nights. 

 John- No.

 Carol- This was in the middle of like a ravine.  In the middle of nowhere.  It was horrible.

 John- Very true.  All that stuff out there.  And with kids you have to be done early, but once all the kids, all these kids on the bus, realized it was a real deer that had died so that we could shoot the movie, no not the real reason, they all freaked out and none of them wanted to be around the deer except for the boys, who thought it was cool.

 Carol- They kept poking it with sticks.

 John- This sequence ummm, which we will get back to quite a lot, of all these kids on the bus, the hero of this sequence is both the cinematographer, David Connell who managed to shoot 15 minutes inside a bus with such dynamic lighting and dynamic camera work and Sprague Grayden who plays Heather.  Because, that’s not her, ummm, because Sprague who is right there.

 Carol- There she is.

 John- Well she has a broken leg and had to set there.  Every time the camera wasn’t rolling 25 kids were standing around her asking her questions, talking to her.  What time do we get to go?  Are we, can we eat?  Do you have a boyfriend?  What’s you’re boyfriend’s name?  Can we leave? What’s in there?  When do I get to talk?  Where was I setting?  And she had to remember all of it and became basically the sweetest, nicest, best actress you could imagine.

 Carol- Yeah, she really was their school teacher through the whole thing.  This little girl is amazing and again, not available!

 John- Not available!  She also got a job. 

 Carol- She did.

 John- We’re losers!

 Carol- No, we just know talent and we lose it.  Okay, Skeet’s awesome here. 

 John- And you talk to Skeet and this is one of the most interesting scenes for him.  I don’t know maybe you don’t talk to Skeet.  I talk to Skeet. 

 Carol- I talk to him all the time.  I call Gerald McRaney, Mac. 

 John- Yeah, I do.  Yeah, I know Ashley Scott’s ah, email address. 

Carol- Yeah, yeah, Okay.

 John- Ummm, he just really let himself get into the back story of the character, figure out what was going on and let this moment be quiet and take a moment of quiet, which you often don’t get to do.  Ummm, 

Carol- We also liked the idea that Jake wasn’t particularly good with kids and I think he’s playing here.  He’s a little rough with them, I mean he’s not mean but he’s also not kid gloves with them.  Which is great.

 John- He doesn’t treat them like kids, he just talked to them.  And I think that is what makes so, ah, such a good leader in this scene, is that he just gets the job done and is willing to do what others would be too afraid to do.  Because it has to get done and that was the importance of this whole bus sequence.  Especially, in a pilot where you know nothing about a character.  You say how does this guy know how to do this?  How does this person know how to put straws together, to make a tracheotomy?  Which by the way people gave us a hard time, saying it was so fake and it happens to be absolutely 100% real and believable.  So, thank you very much. 

 Carol- So there.

 John- And these kids, all of these kids put up with so much.  Just being jammed into this bus for 2 days shooting all this.  Look at these faces; they really make the scene work.  And Skeet, Skeet makes this scene work too.  Oh, he’s gonna get so mad at me.  And music, and lighting.  Lighting the bus out there, the importance of these flashlights makes a huge difference.  It’s me off camera pointing the flashlights at everybody. 

 Carol- She has just a great presence. 

 John- yeah, this is out in the middle of nowhere, but the shots of these guys was on a parking lot.  You just sort of shake the camera a little bit and put some sparkly lights on them and suddenly they are driving down the road.

 Carol- That’s movie magic. 

John- Or TV Magic or in this case, internet magic!

 Carol- This became John’s best friend.

 John- My best friend.  This kid’s name is Mackenzie.  He couldn’t be more fun, more adorable, ask more questions and couldn’t have been more helpful.  When it came to making the straws and putting the band aids on, he was Mr. band aid. 

 Carol- He would come set in John’s director chair.  He was hilarious. 

 John- For you.

 Carol- You didn’t have any place to sit.  Okay this really scares me.  People think that’s Hawkins there.  I don’t know why they think that, but that’s not him. 

John- Well, we know why they think that and that’s really annoying.

 Carol- But it’s not him.

 John- And people would say is it a prison. They didn’t understand it was a prison bus even after a 5 second shot of the bus sign that says prison. 

John- Now while this is out in the middle of nowhere, so we can get some of this ahh, wide shots and all that, the other shots inside the bus were on a stage because we had to shoot during the day.

 Carol- Because we had kids in there.

 John- Because we had kids in the set.  And this is sort of a gift when _________answers when you say the power is out and we need to light a scene with candles and they deliver such a beautiful look.  That’s by the way, the last portable tape recorder in existence in the United States!  We think.

 Carol- Correct.

 John- But they do run on batteries. 

 Carol- Gail’s family doesn’t have a lot of money.  Hmmhmm

 John- Don’t ask why the deaf girl’s listening to the tape recorder.

 Carol- She’s actually looking at her brother who’s signing for her. 

John- Here’s another piece of writing which impressed me too, which is revealing this extraordinary thing that there is a second bomb, but revealing it through a character.  That it’s about Dale’s mother not somebody coming in and announcing it as a news person or a politician but it came out in the context of where his mother was.  Again this is all shot on a sound stage in ahh, in LA. 

 Carol-  And that was shot in Fillmore in an actual supermarket.

 John- Supermarket.  Also unavailable for the rest of the series along with the deer.   

Carol- Poor Skeet.

 John- Poor Skeet.  That was a very heavy bus driver but a lovely guy.  And this girl’s a terrific actress.

 Carol- Umhmm

 John- We get in kids, people say oh, it must be hard to work with kids, it’s not it’s a joy to work with kids.  Umm, usually they are patient, they ask what you want, they do what you ask, they’re lovely and it’s a real treat to work with kids at least these kids and dogs, but they are really are great.

 Carol- And they love Kraft services!

 John- LOVE!

Carol- This is a lovely actor too, when we got Taylor Nichols we were shocked we could get him and we loved having him and again, not available.  Too busy. 

John- Not available, too busy.  This bus, not available.

 Carol- No, those trees, not available.  Skeet, available.  Got ‘em.

 John- Ah, Skeet you’ll notice does a lot of driving of different things.  He actually drove this bus, he drove that car.  I asked him if it was going to be a problem.  He just sort of looked at me and said I can drive okay.  Skeet as many of you know, grew up around the NASCAR world and is an extraordinarily good driver, probably the best of any actor I have ever worked with.  And ah, Nick Cage was also a good driver but Skeet’s pretty extraordinary and it matters when you are throwing an actor in a car and saying we’ve got 5 seconds to shoot a scene, can you back a bus up, it helps. 

 Carol- Okay, here’s what I remember about this scene, they had really great butternut squash soup on the set that night and it was so cold and that was great! 

John- It was great.

 Carol- Also isn’t it true, in that scene where you see the bus, when Skeet’s pulling that bus out of that ravine at that point all the kids had to be let go because it was too late at night so you had assistance and PA’s and producers are all like hunched down trying to pretend like they are children.

 John- yeah like 15 adults and producers are all like… The ah, the, the, the fact that Lenny James is even in this show is odd because we knew when he walked in the room that he was the guy to play Hawkins and as in love with him as we were, he doesn’t really have a lot to do

 Carol- In the pilot.

 John- In the pilot.  So it isn’t until the second episode that he really shows up. 

 Carol- But everybody commented on that character, even in the pilot, even though he’s not in it much.  He doesn’t come into like ‘till the third act or something.

 John- The other intriguing one. 

 Carol- Again there were more things of him originally in the pilot script, and you even shot that stuff, of him and his family moving into the house and all that stuff, but when you get down to the 40 minutes, that stuff has to go. 

 John- Yeah, very true.  Umm, this was, it’s interesting, this was a relationship between Jake and Heather that was only sort of in the script.  But when the actresses came in to audition we really got a sense of the romance starting.  I don’t know why I bring up romance while looking at these dead bodies, but you may learn a little bit more about my weekends than you’d like.

 Carol- Twisted! 

John- He was saying that to the audience actually. Which is very important. Ummm, but there was such a connection between Heather and Jake in the show, it really let us know we want Heather to be part of it and seeing the work that Sprague was doing and how charming she was we really had to put her into the series.  This character was an after thought.   

Carol- Yeah

 John- That’s how I felt most of the time and here this is another thing, I didn’t know about this way to make a left thing. 

 Carol- I did, but when I do it, they both look like L’s to me.  So, it helps me not at all!

 John- And they are running out of gas and there’s going to be a boom.

 Carol- There’s going to be a boom.

 John- There’s always a boom at the end before a commercial on television. 

 Carol- I love the boom.